>> i learned that bill karins may be a national understainsti but he does wear some crazy ties. >> we'll help him with that. >> what did you learn? >> we learned we're going to have this melodrama in washington down to the last moment of the year. everybody agreed what they're going to do, but they're not going to agree until the last second. >> what i learned, is things may be worse, we could be ukraine. take a look at what happened in ukraine. there's a bright side. we're grasping. we're grasping. >> you know what? i bet they get things done. after a fight, i bet they sit there and pass bills. just like tip o'neal. >> if it's way too earlier, it's "morning joe," thank you so much for watching this week, we greatly appreciate it. chuck and the daily rundown

starts right now. steam dried, the u.n. ambassador pulls her name from consideration to be secretary of state, telling president obama she doesn't want to be a distraction in telling nbc exclusively what she thinks about the politics of her critics. cleanup on aisle 2013. just 18 shopping days left until the country dives over the fiscal cliff. are there any deals left to be had? there's a bargain bid of plan bs that are starting to overflow on the on the senator side of capitol hill. and a senior gets ready to ride over the fiscal cliff after decades in washington. find out what he thinks about changing the senate's rules and working with five presidents. he's the latest in our senate spit interview interviews. i'm chuck todd. susan rice will not be the next

secretary of interstate, even after the prospect of her being the next secretary of state. susan rice announcing her decision yesterday to nbc's brian williams. >> i didn't want to see a c confirmation process that was very prolonged, very politicized, very distracting and very disruptive. because there are so many things we need to get done as a country. >> were you set up? were you a victim of circumstance? bad data, bad information? >> i'm not a victim, i wasn't set up. you know, brian, i think it's best. i know who i am.

i see myself on the television screen in all my different outfits. we're in a sad place, frankly when national security, national security officials, who are sitting in their jobs, serving the american people every day, and potential candidates for secretary of state get caught up in a political vortex. >> well, the president signaled strong support for rice throughout this process. the white house was always divided about her nomination. some advisors believe the political price of a confi confirmation battle would be too high. so many fights on capitol hill including the fiscal cliff, was another protracted battle on a confirmati confirmation, especially when you liked your idea of secretary of state. and the secretary of state tried to steer -- there was also real differences in foreign policy

philosophy between the two candidates, something that none of us have made as clear as we probably should have. rice made the case for humanitarian action in libya, has always been more of an interventionist will. she's been criticized for downplaying -- she was using with cia written talking points that turned out to be wrong. yesterday she explained those comments yet again. >> secretary clinton had originally been asked by most of the networks to go on. she had had an incredibly grueling week dealing with the protests around the middle east and north africa. i was asked, i was willing to do so. it wasn't what i had planned for that weekend originally. but i don't regret doing that, brian. >> there was also a daily trickle of negative story on rice's investments, vetting her past roles in the government,

and the campaign that the white house never really deftd her against. 20% view her positively, 24% negatively. in a "washington post" op-ed this morning. rice writes this, in recent weeks new lines of attack have been raised to mall line my character and my career even before i was nominated for any new position. a steady drip of manufactured charges presented a -- rice isn't going anywhere, and by hangeding this gracefully, she may re-emerge when another job comes up. which is not going to be america's top diplomat. >> did you want the job? >> i would have been very honored to serve in that job, just as i'm delighted to do what time doing. but yes, sure, how can you not want to, in my field, serve at the highest possible level? >> thursday night, on our nbc

affiliate in sacramento, kcra, the president praised rice, but also seemed ready to move on. >> susan is going to continue to be an outstanding u.s. ambassador to the united nations. i hadn't made a decision about who would be my next secretary of state. there's no doubt that susan was qualified. there are other people who are qualified as well. >> the white house has made it clear that other people means john kerry. there were two the people on the list, two minus one is one. kerry who has been very quiet through this process, released a statement calling rice a, quote, dedicated public servant, saying i have defended her publicly and i wouldn't hesitate to do that because i know her service and i know her commitment then he ducked reporters last night. >> i'm going to continue to do my work.

>> but elsewhere on the hill, democrats were not exactly avoiding confrontation. the majority leader harry reid said this in a statement, quote, the politically motivated attacks on her character by some of my republican colleagues were shameful. their behavior was a disgrace to bipartisan -- otherwise distinguished records on national security. of course harry reid was a pretty vocal critical of george w. bush's foreign policy and some folks there back in the day, for what its worth. but in statements, after the rice announcement, senators mccain and graham made it clear that though they, quote, respected ambassador rice's decision, they had no intention of dropping the benghazi fight. >> we're not going to let this go, how could for seven hours nobody come to the aid of the people in the attack. where was the president? >> which of course always should have been the focus of the benghazi story, rice's decision

presents the president with a cabinet that looks like an america problem. the cabinet in the -- looking like a leading candidate for the secretary of defense. if kerry is a shoe in, does that change the calculus four hagel? or for white house chief of staff, kevin liu. former advisors under secretary clinton re-emerge as top candidates for treasury. if kerry ends up being a nominee for secretary of state, there would be a challenge for his senate seat. here's senator scott brown, in his farewell speech on the senate floor which oh, by the way happened to be yesterday. >> defeat is temporary, depending on what happens and where we go, all of us, we may obviously meet again.

>> there you go. after rice's announcement yesterday, the massachusetts democratic party tweeted this. bring it on. in case you're wondering, the way the math works, assuming john kerry's resigned the senate seat after he's confirmed and that happens around january 20th, 21st. we're looking at a mid to late june special election in massachusetts. finally, another day, another rhetorical standoff if you will between president obama and house speaker john boehner as the country moves another day closer to tumbling off this fiscal cliff. boehner met with the president for 50 minutes in the oval office yesterday evening. it was as much about how to negotiate as what to negotiation. that's what the standoff is over, they don't even know how to trade proposals. boehner was invited to the white house yesterday and you could

tell as he whipped out a paul ryan style chart. >> here we are at the 11th hour, and the president still isn't serious about dealing with this issue right here. it's this issue. spending. >> but as the day wore on and the president knew he was going to get a face to face with gainer, he put on a happier face with the republicans. >> i remain cautiously optimistic, but i think what's most important is that members of congress hear from their constituencies. >> after the white house meeting, the two sides are back to releasing the statement statement, which might be a sign of good things to come, by saying the meeting was frank and as we have been saying for some time now, the lines of communication remain open. the president was asked about a so-called communication breakdown.

>> is there an issue of rest when it comes to negotiation? >> my sense is it's less of an issue of trust, i think it has more to do with politics, i think the idea of not raising taxes has become sort of a religion for a lot of members of the republican party. >> aides say the speaker is heading home to ohio for the weekend, hardly a great sign. but they add, ohio is both self-phone service and airports. so if the president wants to talk or meet, it won't be a problem at all. a lot of senators are starting to get antsy, some of the remote possibilities for the cliff are one doing nothing and actually going off of it and two, doing something big. i think we're looking at a patch work punt if you will and it continuings to be the most likely outcome. up next, the capitol hill cliffhanger with two guys who know the key players and maybe

now will speak more frequently. plus south carolina governor nikki haley, she's having a lot of fun with this senate opening she's got here. she's doing her due diligence before replacing jim demint. first a look ahead at the president's schedule. kind of a quiet day, he does have a meeting with susan rice this afternoon. all of it, though, off camera. no plans on the cliff front. you're watching the daily rundown, only on msnbc. [ female announcer ] born from the naturally sweet monk fruit, something this delicious could only come from nature. now from the maker of splenda sweeteners, discover nectresse. the only 100% natural, no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit. the rich, sweet taste of sugar. nothing artificial. ♪ it's all that sweet ever needs to be.

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on the hourly count down clock. it depends on how they fashion the deal of whether we're going to have a budget cliff. in 2009, congress didn't pass the health care overhaul until christmas eve. in 2010, the $858 billion worth of tax cuts and stimulus spending, that got passed on december 16th, relatively early. and the social security tax cut didn't get passed until the day before christmas. welcome to both of you. all right, i want to try to -- yesterday's meeting seemed, brad, i want to start with you, was about the fact that the exchange of offer as this week didn't go well. do we still have a case where

it's like the old movie cool hand luke, what we have here is a failure to communicate. they don't know how to communicate with each other? >> i don't think so, bob woodward wrote an entire book about how president obama doesn't know how to communicate with the hill. if you look at what's happening, during the election, republicans ran on the ryan budget, which is no new revenue. democrats won the election, and the speaker said $800 billion in revenue. so what did president obama do to respond to thata he moved the revenue higher. so if you keep moving those goal posts, of course you're not going to have a willing partner on the other side, republicans are negotiating with themselves at this point. >> on the issue of the tax rate, it seems as if democrats want to hear john boehner say uncle, okay, they're going to go up, rather than just assume that boehner's going to agree with it, he just can't say it publicly. that's the issue here, boehner

doesn't want to ever say it publicly. >> i keep on hearing this and for the life of me i can't figure out why politics has become patty cake and everything has to hear the right word from the other. as brad just suggested, the president won and especially after the debacle that was at a debt limit where the republicans took the debate to the hilt and threatened the full faith and credit of the united states, the president's made it very clear both publicly an privately, he's not going to take a bad deal this time so it's up to the republicans to take a step forward. >> brad, it seems one of the problems here for -- in sort of the lack of communications is that boehner wants something in return for agreeing to raising tax rates and the white house is saying, huh-uh, we won that argument. if you want -- we'll give you something in return, say, for a debt ceiling. >> the president can't campaign on a balanced approach to debt reduction, a balanced approach.

so you have a situation here where republicans are being asked to do something they think is bad for the country, that's raising tax rates, we don't believe it's good, that's why we're opposed to it. well, the president won, the president is insisting on it. where is the president's 5 to 1, 3 to 1, 2 to 1 cuts to tax increases r you willing to raise the medicare age? >> first of all it takes two to tango and i rarely if ever agree with "the washington post." and president's made very clear -- >> if you don't agree with them who does? >> i think it's kind of predictable editorial page. >> and the other thing is that the president's made it very clear that, once the republicans

s settle on a series of revenues, he's prepared to have a very serious talk about entitlement. >> isn't it fair to say that neither side wants to own the plan that will be -- somebody will find any plan on entitlement reform unpopular. so the president doesn't want to write it, speaker boehner doesn't want to write it, is that fair? >> republicans keep calling on cuts in entitlement reform. but again, everyone recognizes changes have to be made, but like i said, it takes two to tango. >> if you want republicans to talk got raising rates, which seems to be an insisting point here. >> but shouldn't speaker boehner put it on piaaper. >> we passed a budget that's been put down on paper. the senate still has it. >> it's not like boehner's putting that on the table. i don't think the president

would accept that, i'm sure speaker boehner would accept that if the president's hoping to. >> very quick before i go, the k -- unloaded on -- this relationship between harry reid and john mccain, is it as bad as it looks? >> they have found times to work together in the past, but in this day and age, they have a hard time agreeing. >> was harry reid itching for a fight? >> i haven't talked to him, i didn't have a chance to talk to him about it, but i'm pretty confident, not only he was looking forward to it and so was the rest of the democratic caucus, the nomination process is broken, something's got to change and i thought that would have been the way to go. >> i think we're going to have you back, we got 18 days, hopefully it's not on christmas. >> come on. you know what? we're all going to go negative

on everybody, if they ruin everybody's holiday plans. it's a long campaign. up next, president obama weighs in on the legalization of marijuana. plus which governor may want to keep the job long enough to challenge the state's term limit laws. and which senator defeated the only senator to be the first one to set foot on the moon? the answer and more coming up on the daily rundown.

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. on our radar this morning, the kentucky it's governor -- and we answer that age old question. should not knowing your state

amphibian disqualify you from office? but first, in turkey today, defense secretary leon panetta says the pentagon the beefing up that country's defenses in case the conflict spreads across the border. >> we are preparing for the neighboring battling into turkey. along with the troops necessary to man those batteries so that we can help turkey have the kind of missile defense it may very well need in dealing with threats that come out of syria. >> have to wonder if this is also a response on the the chemical weapons fears that u.s. intelligence has discovered. meanwhile arizona's republican governor anne brewer says she may seek another term even though the state constitution says her current term should be her last. brewer inherited the office from

janet napolitano, she was elected in 2010 to her current term which is up in 2014. in kentucky, snats republican leader mitch mcconnell has his first official challenger for 2014, and ooh no, it's not ashley judd. it's a local contractor named ed knocksbury. it's not the democrat's first time in the political ring, he ran for congress in 2010 against republican brett guthrie and lost by 25 points. president obama is weighing in on the marijuana debate after colorado and washington voted to legalize it last month. he said even though the federal government has the power to enforce drugs laws in those states, they probably won't. >> it does not make sense in a prioritization point of view to focus on recreational drug users in a state that has already said that under state law it's legal.

governor -- stephen colbert called on republican viewers to support haley. among the findings that kolber attended a state trade conference as a representative of iran. that he didn't know the state amphibian was the spottal sal man manneder and he changed the pronunciation of his last name to appeal to republican elites. jim demint saying he believes nicky haley will announce his replacement today. our series of interviews with retired senators roll on. my conversation with jeff binghamton about why he wants to change the senate's rules and his own changing views on issues like same-sex marriage. you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup.

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well, it's not just a fiscal cliff that looms at the end of the year. a number of washington veterans are packing up their offices and they're not going to be back in january. 10 senators, six democrats, three republicans and an independent, including joe lieberman are retiring or were defeated. and of course there's south carolina senator jim demint, he's resigning his seat. this week a handful of those senators gave their final speech on the senator floor, here's a list taste. >> when i started here in the senate a blackberry was a fruit. >> i was elected on the slogan in 1986 of yes we can. and somebody else used that slogan a few years later. >> thank you for taking a chance on me, in that first election 24 years ago and renewing my contract three more times. >> by saying that i so appreciate barbara mcculsky and

john cornyn introducing the bill to name is homemaker ira for me. it will mean so much to me because i know it will help women long after i leave. >> too often in recent years, members of congress have locked themselves into a slate of inflexible positions. many of which have no hope of being implemented in a divided government. and some of these positions have been further calcified by pledges signed for political purposes. >> i worry we are losing the art of legislating, and when the history of this chapter in the senate is raiwritten, we don't t it to conclude that it was here that it became an antiquated practice.

>> today the spotlight on a man who has spent nearly 30 years in the senate, but he's not somebody who seeks the spotlight very often. new mexico's democrat jeff binghamton who has built a reputation among his colleagues as a quiet workhorse. i asked him if the senate by its very nature forces people over time to become more politically pragmatic. >> well, i think that that's happen to folks who came in when i did, like 30 years ago. but frankly i think it's more difficult for members to be flexible in their views coming into the senate today. there's so many litmus tests that you have to go through to get nominated and get elected that particularly on the republican side, i think there's a real effort to pin you down as to where you're going to be on very major issues that are facing the country.

>> you have worked with five presidents now, if i get it right, you've served under five president, reagan, bush, clinton, bush, obama. give me some of the pros and cons of how each of them dealt with the senate. start with reagan, what do you think he did right and what could he have done better? >> of course i had many disagreements with president reagan. we were running when i came into the senate very large deficits. >> right now that would be the fiscal cliff solution. >> at the time, they were somewhat unprecedented for the period before that. and so we struggled with that throughout his presidency, trying to figure out how to get enough revenue, and how to control costs and that was struggle. i think president george h.w. bush began to solve some of that

problem by agreeing, finally, to a deficit reduction effort that congress essentially urged and forced him to accede to, which he did. president clinton took the next step and really made some major changes, both on the revenue side and the spending side and got the country on a sound fiscal footing, at least in my view. and of course, president bush's term, the main thing he's remembered for in addition to the tax cuts are the wars that we got into and i supported the effort to go into afghanistan, i didn't support the effort to go into iraq. president obama inherited a very adverse economic situation and given the hand he was dealt, i think he's done well in trying to get the country up on its feet again. >> is there truth to this idea of the good old days of the

senate? >> i think there's some truth in it. i think the senate was a better functioning place, certainly, when i arrived here than it is today. there's no doubt about that. >> do you, i know senator reid's thinking about changing some of the filibuster rules. >> uh-huh. >> and it seems to me that there's some democratic unanimity on this. you have been on all sides of this, but over to the majority, changing in is that rules, are you in favor of it? >> i'm all in favor of changing the senate rules, the ability to filibuster is currently being abused. >> it's too easyfilibuster. >> you should still have it, right? >> it's now a way to disrupt routine business in the senate. there are all kinds of things, we vote district court nominees

out of the judiciary committee unanimously and we can't get them up for a vote on the senate floor, because someone says, no, no, we got to have 60 votes or we won't let you do it. >> why do you think that new mexico went into seven out of ten of the last presidential elections has moved to the right. what in your observation has happened to the republican party? >> i don't think it's peculiar to new mexico. i do think that the republican party has moved very much to the right in it's views on some of these significant issues, on immigration, that's a -- it's not that it's a core issue for a lot of the hispanic voters in our state, but it's an indication of where the party is and whether the party is working on or willing to step up and realistically address real issues.

you know the idea that we're going to send 12 million people home is just ludicrous to anybody in my state. >> any votes you would take back? i'm sure there are a few you might say that you don't remember. but is there one or two votes you would take back in the senate? >> i think the supreme courts announced last week they're going to consider the constitutioni constitutionality of the defense of marriage act. >> you voted for it? >> i voted for it. >> you wish you didn't? >> i think the two circuit courts that have determined that it's not constitutional, are probably right. that's my judgment today. >> is that just something that you think culturally the country has to be ahead of the lawmakers on this? >> i think the country is ahead of the lawmakers on this. and i don't know what the supreme court will do, but it will not surprise me if they affirm -- >> you hope what they affirm what the lower court said? >> i think it's likely that they

will. and, you know, that's one of those acts that probably should not have been enacted. >> you guys did it for, at the time, it felt like there was a little bit of president clinton worrying about re-electionsome. >> yeah, president clinton supported it and i think, frankly it was done without sufficient consideration of all the factors. >> let me try this as a closing question. if you could change one thing about the senate, what would you change? >> well, if i could change one thing about the senate, i would get back to a better working relationship between the democratic and republican leadership. if we could have that -- >> is that really a bad place? i mean harry reid and mish mcconnell still claim that they're personal friends. >> i don't doubt that they're personal friends, i'm just saying that in getting agreement on how to conduct business in

the senate, we have great difficulty. and that's -- that together with the abuse of the filibuster rule or the right to filibuster, those need to be fixed. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks. for the full version of my interview, go to our website, msnbc.com. we have a couple more exiting senators to talk to. senator cole, senator nelson, senators luger and brown. our gaggle will be here next. but you need to know it, who is soup of the day. at least it's a shiny one, shrimp and corn chowder, it's different. i love me some corn chowder. shrimp in it ? it i don't know. we get to watch our chicken out on facebook.

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daily flash back, it was this day in 2004, when an iraqi journalist threw his shoes at president bush during a press conference in baghdad. president obama meeting with susan rice today, 24 hours after she with drew her name from consideration of secretary of state and avoid a bitter confirmation process. a lot of stuff going on on capitol hill. let's bring in our friday gaggle.

man, you expanded. >> i am trying to keep up the job creation statistics. >> i want to start with you about this issue of not wanting another fight on capitol hill. this was certainly the cold political calculus that some were making in the white house and the white house said they did not push rice into this, i think there's a lot of truth to that. but the president is a pragmatist on these things. more so than people realize. it was going to be a big fight. >> she probably could have gotten confirmed, but only after the president expended a lot of political capital. it would be filibustered by republicans, they would need 60 votes, which they could presumably get because there would be 65 seats in the next among. but, look, the president wants to deal with immigration in the next term. we don't know where they're going on the fiscal cliff, do we

really want another major knockdown, dragout fight? >> one of the unintended consequences of this is that suddenly the three guys that are the leading candidates for the big job are all white men. >> i noticed. >> this is an election the last time i checked that president obama owed that he had a very diverse group of people supporting hiss campaign. is that something that the white house needs to take notice on? >> what really bothers me is that the women's groups, the civil rights groups, we should have stood up more. >> are you surprised that she was getting environmental groups going after her. and we know environmental groups are very close to john kerry, and if nothing else, they thought they were being helpful to kerry when susan rice was down. >> she got voted out of this, and we should have stood up and said, are you kidding me? she's not at fall. and i think it sounded sexist.

>> at this point, white men at the state department is diversity. >> warren christopher is the last white male secretary of state. >> i think susan rice avoided two additional problems here, if she had withdrawn and they picked somebody else, it would have looked like weakness on her part. the other thing is they don't want, i think, to extend the benghazi story and have a lot of questions. and the republicans now don't have a convenient hook to keep that conversation going. >> although, we do have the hearings next week. >> yeah, and they're bringing hillary up. >> but it's not the same as if you had a nomination fight where there's an actual vote going to take place at stake. >> this is largely a made up issue, this is crazy. >> let's talk about cliff and where we are and yesterday's meeting with the president and speaker boehner, which from what i understand was as much about trying to figure out how do we

negotiate versus what we negotiate. senate leaders are getting antsy. >> they are, because no one really knows what's going on, other than the fact that it's not going very well. >> they don't like being 100 elect pundits. that's what they are, they're soft of observers and it's making them nuts. >> even in the closed doors on the republican side and the democratic side. they're not getting much information. gene spurring met with the republicans and the democrats, and they didn't have any idea where they were going. >> so what is the political problem that the president could face if we -- if no deem is had or if a really sort of -- we know the republicans are in bad shape here politically with the country and i had one say, well, we can't get much lower. the president could get dragged down with them. and that's what happened in debt

ceiling. >> i tell you what, this is a manufactured problem. he's standing up for the right fights. i think the really important thing is for the democrats to take this message to, these people want to jeopardize the economy, these people want to jeopardize the credit rating of the greatest company in the world? >> do you think the debt ceiling fight is the right one to hold? do you think democrats are potentially setting themselves up for a bad political fight? >> in 2009, they got spending cut, they got tax increases. they think they won. >> if they lost that public opinion, they lost that fight. they may have won -- >> they don't believe and they're right not to believe that any of the elections were lost over that fight. >> well, that is a fair point. stick around, i want to talk about bobby jindal day in the

"wall street journal." we asked which silting senator defeated the only senator to ever set foot on the moon. we're like jeopardy, we're giving you a hint. the answer is jeff binghamton. he defeated jeff smith back in 1992.

restore revive rejuvenate rebuild rebuild rebuild let's bring back our gaggle. selinda, i'm going to read you this read and you -- support last month for selling oral contraceptives without a prescription in the united states. that is the lead paragraph by

the republican bobby jindal. >> an amazing move for the presidency, i would think. >> he makes a free market argument for it saying it actually costs more money, the idea that it's a prescription drug companies, it would actually become more competitive, bring down the cost of contraceptives, basically arguing you ought to bring this out of the beating the daylights out of the president. >> if you want to increase access to birth control without forcing people to cover things that might violate their consciences. i think it's a very clever argument. >> i do too. but i'm trying to figure out how this plays out in south carolina and how it plays out in the iowa caucuses. nobody counts him out as a liberal. he's a conservative. >> i think it goes to show that a lot of republicans don't want

to be arguing these social issues right now, they feel like they're on much stronger ground when they're talking about economics and fiscal issues and taxes. you don't hear the social argumenting coming out of republicans these days because they're worried democrats are bark them for it. >> these guys, they have had a pretty smart clever month for the 2016ers. shameless plugs. >> my colleague and i did a story about how democrats in the house and senate are very res t resistant to talk about medicare custs, except for medicare means testing which certainly is not enough for republicans. >> the family foundation just released a study on how women make mistakes and how it's harder to come back from them and how women establish their qualify cases. >> margaret carlson and i over

at bloomberg view are going to be talking about jim moran, and congressmen behaving badly. that will be up in just about an hour or so. >> no announcement for south carolina senate today, take that, jim demint. that's it for this edition of the daily rundown. coming up next, chris jansing. bye-bye. ♪ announcing the all-new 2013 malibu from chevrolet. ♪ with a remarkable new interior featuring the available chevrolet mylink infotainment system. this is where sophisticated styling begins. and where it ends? that's up to you. it's here -- the greatest malibu ever. ♪ is bigger than we think ... sometimelike the flu.fer from with aches, fever and chills- the flu's a really big deal.

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